Tuesday, August 13, 2013

(Montana) Conservatives Concerned About the Death Penalty

DEAD WRONG: (Montana) Conservatives Concerned About the Death Penalty (MCCATDP)
Dudley Sharp

Every point from the MCCATDP website (1) is false.

It appears that MCCATDP has simply parroted anti death penalty frauds, with no effort at finding out if they were true.


August 20, 2019

Full Rebuttal of Hannah Cox, National Manager,
Conservatives Concerned About the Death Penalty (CCADP)
within Comment Section
Quite irresponsible and common.
Rebutted, point by point

        1) INNOCENCE

        a) MCCATDP writes: "(1 in 10 people sentenced to death have been proven innocent. 5 people have been proven innocent posthumously.)" (2) "Since 1973, at least 142 people have walked off our nation’s death rows after evidence revealed that they were sentenced to die for crimes they did not commit." (3).
        Absurdly False. Possibly 1 out of 205, or 40 out of the 8200 sentenced to death (4) , may be actually innocent, with credible evidence to support the claim.
        All were released. The 142 (or more or less DPIC numbers) innocents released claim has been recognized as an absurd and obvious deception for many years (4).
        No one has been proven an actual innocent executed, at least since the 1930's, if then (5).


        2) RIGHT TO LIFE
        MCCATDP writes: "Retaining the death penalty in Montana denies a right to life." (2)

        False. There is no absolute right to life any more than there is an absolute right to freedom. Is MCCATP against all incarcerations, as well? Of course not. It is the right to "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

        MCCATDP avoided what they quoted: " (The Montana Republican Party) "supports the preservation of innocent human life at every stage of life beginning at conception through natural death."

        "Innocent life" is quite a bit different than a guilty murderer.

        In addition, as the death penalty is a greater protector of innocent lives, an addition Pro life outcome (7).
        3) REDEMPTION
        MCCATDP believes that execution removes God's redemption (8). Is MCCATDP unaware that, biblically and theologically, all humans die based upon their sins? Does God, thereby remove everyone's prospects at redemption?
        Is MCCATDP stating that the God invoked sanction of death takes away the possibility of redemption? Think about that. There is nothing to defend such a claim, in any context.
        All of our sins have us die "early". Is there a case, whereby God has erased the possibility of our redemption, solely because of our earthly and "early" deaths? Such an interpretation is, in context, flatly, against God's message and cannot stand.
        The biblical record, its interpretations and virtually all knowledgeable Christian scholars and laymen, find that the universal blessing that God gives us is that we all have the opportunity of being redeemed "before we die". The death penalty does not/cannot take that away anymore than does death by car wreck, cancer, old age or any other "earthly" and "early" death, meaning all deaths, because of our sins. We all die "early" because of our sins.
        Has MCCATDP, completely, forgotten the meaning of St. Dismas' death, his words exchanged with Jesus and the promise to come?
        MCCATDP, wrongly, finds that all "early" deaths, meaning all earthly deaths, negate the possibility of our being redeemed. Such is an astonishing claim, if not much worse.
        In God's perfection, we suffer an "early" death, because of our sins. The MCCATDP wrongly tells us that our "early" deaths takes away the possibility of our being redeemed. It can't and does not. God gives all of us the opportunity of redemption, in His grace, before our earthly and early deaths, no matter what that death may be.
        The MCCATDP cannot rewrite that, even though it is trying to.
        Furthermore, a unique benefit of the death penalty is that the offender knows the day of their death and therefore has a huge advantage over the rest of us and, most certainly over the innocent murder victim.
        ". . . a secondary measure of the love of God may be said to appear. For capital punishment provides the murderer with incentive to repentance which the ordinary man does not have, that is a definite date on which he is to meet his God. It is as if God thus providentially granted him a special inducement to repentance out of consideration of the enormity of his crime . . . the law grants to the condemned an opportunity which he did not grant to his victim, the opportunity to prepare to meet his God. Even divine justice here may be said to be tempered with mercy." Carey agrees with Saints Augustine and Aquinas, that executions represent mercy to the wrongdoer: (p. 116). Quaker biblical scholar Dr. Gervas A. Carey. A Professor of Bible and past President of George Fox College, Essays on the Death Penalty, T. Robert Ingram, ed., St. Thomas Press, Houston, 1963, 1992
        St. Thomas Aquinas: "The fact that the evil, as long as they live, can be corrected from their errors does not prohibit the fact that they may be justly executed, for the danger which threatens from their way of life is greater and more certain than the good which may be expected from their improvement. They also have at that critical point of death the opportunity to be converted to God through repentance. And if they are so stubborn that even at the point of death their heart does not draw back from evil, it is possible to make a highly probable judgement that they would never come away from evil to the right use of their powers." Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III, 146.


        4) COSTS
        "Retaining the death penalty in Montana creates unnecessary burdens on tax payers (The death penalty costs 3 to 7 time MORE than life without the possibility of parole)." (2)

          False:  It appears that the CCADP did not fact check any of those studies. They can start, here:

          Saving Costs with The Death Penalty


         MCCATDP, somehow, missed the Republican Party's (RP) point, which was that irresponsible spending in death penalty cases represents an additional burden on taxpayers, just as all irresponsible state spending does.

        The RP point was to make the death penalty protocol more efficient and, thereby, more respectful of taxpayers.
        Responsible, conservative protocols should make the death penalty less expensive than life without parole (LWOP) in Montana, as in all death penalty jurisdictions.
        The MCCATDP relied on the Maryland cost study (9) . Bad idea (10). Fact check next time.
        The Virginia example: In the modern era, post 1976, 72% (108) of death sentenced murderers have been executed within 7.1 years on average.
        All states can duplicate that protocol, enforce justice and save taxpayers funds over LWOP.


        If these family members were the concern of MCCATDP, the MCCATDP would be trying to improve the death penalty system in Montana, just as the RP has suggested.
        The anecdotal evidence is that MVFM support the death penalty by over 95% (12).


Few Conservatives Embrace Anti Death Penalty Deceptions

Conservatives Concerned About The Death Penalty:
Just another dishonest anti death penalty group

Rebuttal to Richard A. Viguerie's "A conservative argues for abolishing the death penalty"


        1) (Montana) Conservatives Concerned About the Death Penalty website, http://mtccadp.com/

        2) Conclusion, bottom of the page, from, MCCATDP website, http://mtccadp.com/mtgop-platform/
        3) Innocence section, MCCATDP website, http://mtccadp.com/concerns/innocence/
        4) THE 142 "EXONERATED" FRAUD

             a) The 130 (now 142) death row "innocents" scam


             b) The "Innocent", the "Exonerated" and Death Row

        5)     The Innocent Frauds: Standard Anti Death Penalty Strategy
        NOTE: If I have left out any of the allegedly "innocents" executed, let me know the case and I will review it and get back to you.

             a) The Innocent Frauds: Standard Anti Death Penalty Strategy

        NOTE: If I have left out any of the allegedly "innocents" executed, let me know the case and I will review it and get back to you.

             b) OF COURSE THE DEATH PENALTY DETERS: A review of the debate



99.7% of murderers tell us "Give me life, not execution"
        7) a)  PRO LIFE: THE DEATH PENALTY, http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/01/pro-life-death-penalty.html

            b)  Jesus and the Death Penalty


            c) The Death Penalty: Mercy, Expiation, Redemption & Salvation

        8) Redemption section, CCADP website, http://mtccadp.com/concerns/redemption/
        9) Cost section, CCADP website, http://mtccadp.com/concerns/cost/
        10) a)  DEATH PENALTY COSTS: MARYLAND, http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/05/maryland-cost-study-problems-urban.html

              b)  Saving Costs with The Death Penalty

        11) Murder Victim's Family Members, CCADP website, http://mtccadp.com/concerns/murder-victims-family-members/
        12) a) US Death Penalty Support at 80%; World Support Remains High
        b) Victims' Families for Death Penalty Repeal: More Hurt For Victims ,


Victim's Voices - These are the murder victims